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Being an expat here in France, sometimes I feel a bit out of touch with what's abuzz in the States, especially with television shows. Although we're fully equipped with internet, we're definitely not the first "in the know". We usually find out what shows are good a drop later, and then it takes another few weeks for it to be available on the internet. Well at least for me anyway. Carving out January and most likely February to hibernate and catch up on what I have been missing, I queued up a handful of shows that I've been told by close friends that I would just love.
I'm lucky to have friends who have a good grasp on my tastes, and who in the past have been spot on with their suggestions. When they recommended to me The New Girl, I immediately fell in love with the writing and the entire cast (seriously, how could you not?). The same was with The Mindy Project and especially the uber-quirky, and completely ridiculous sketch comedy Portlandia. But to be fair on that one, I'm a little biased. I went to the same liberal college as Carrie Brownstein, so there's a smidge of Evergreen pride influencing that decision. I expected the same success when they encouraged me to check out HBO's newest envelope pusher, Girls.
After all the positive attention the show has been receiving, I went in wanting to love it and ready to laugh. But I didn't. It just made me feel really sad, especially for some of the members of the younger generation. The show's pilot immediately rubbed me the wrong way when the lead character, who
has recently been labeled the voice of a generation (thankfully not
mine, I'm too old), was appalled and almost aghast that at the age of 24 her parents would no
longer support her living in New York City. Thankfully this theme doesn't continue throughout the series, but it struck a chord by the message that it sends.
I had suspicions about some of the younger generation feeling entitled and "over qualified" to work odd jobs to make ends meet, and this somewhat confirmed it (I know, it's tv, but still). I even see it in some of the younger members of my own family who would sooner close their Instagram accounts, than tie up their free Facebook time to work as someone's assistant. Am I wrong to think this is nuts? Isn't that what your early 20s are about? Paying your dues and gaining life experience, even if it isn't ideal at first? I know I got beat up while earning pennies from my first fashion boss who is a notorious tyrant, and looking back eight years later, I'm grateful for it. I also came from the school of thinking that no one forces us to live in glamorous cities, and if we want to stay then we'd have to make it work. Blaming the rough post 9/11 economy was simply never an option.
While the few episodes of Girls have been a walk down memory lane of my days commuting into the city from Brooklyn, living in a dingy apartment building that seriously smelled like cat piss and pot, and dating non-committal trust fund "writers" and "directors" whom I allowed to treat me like the trash collected every Tuesday on Driggs, it also reminds me of the reasons why I left.
Paris has certainly not been a cake walk, and the struggles here trumped anything I had ever faced in Brooklyn and LA combined, but it was all part of the experience. I can't help but chuckle over the response I would get from my mother had I ever asked her to support me while I "figured things out" in Paris.
What do you think?
Are my observations a bit harsh?
Or is there a definite shift in work ethic?









OMG, I'm an Evergreen State College graduate too ... class of 1987. Small world.
ReplyDeleteThe "entitlement" seems to actually come from poor parenting; my daughter (early 40s) is surprised at the "entitlement" (I didn't raise her to feel entitled) so she has her daughter (my granddaughter aged 16) already working. My granddaughter is an honor student, taking college courses in high school, a member of the JROTC, a published author, and works as a part-time nanny; she doesn't feel that anyone owes her anything, she knows if she wants it, she needs to work for it. My daughter could afford to spoil her daughter ... she earns 6 figures ... but she refuses to do so. It is too bad that TV doesn't seek out young ladies like my granddaughter.
This comment got stuck in my spam folder! How weird. None of your others do...
DeleteYou went to TESC also!!?!?!!?!?!? HOW COOL! What program were you in? Did you live on campus? We must dish!!! Crazy.
My mom brought to my attention a show where the characters aren't entitled and profile the characteristics you're mentioning: 2 Broke Girls. It's funny, they're waitresses (not that having a good job in your early 20s is unheard of or should be shameful) and to me it feels more real than 'Girls', even if it is a sitcom.
Thanks for your comment! I'm so sorry the spam bots tried to steal it! : )
I've been trying to get my internet "hands" on Girls! (Boy, that sounds creepy.) Interesting to see your take- now I'm itching even more to see it. I suppose I'll have the same opinion as you! Although I am a gen Yer, I worked all throughout college and didn't expect my fam to pay. Waitressing and hostessing, art assistant for a dozen of artists, web designer and photo retoucher, art gallery receptionist, union square street-vendor. ;-) Good times.
ReplyDeleteI think are on the right track when you say that many from my generation feel entitled. I think gen Yers often fear hard work. Gen Yers, strive for jobs that "follow our bliss" and gen Yers generally fear disapproval from others.
A lot of people from my generation have a great possibility to become entrepreneurs, if they could manage the hard work and sacrifice it takes to get it going (as well as getting some experience and saving up beforehand). If they are ashamed to be assistants or work in fast food, maybe they should do it without telling anyone (sounds a little silly but whatever helps).
I'm in a similar dilema (not the fear of approval part), but I really want a job that uses by abilities, uses what I've learned from my 5 year degree and my 3+ internships and art assistant jobs, whether it's again an assistant.. or a director or a entrepreneur, I want to be as useful as possible and be connected to the arts. I guess that could be lumped into "follow your bliss". Realistically, in France (especially Grenoble), I will end up being an English teacher/tutor/etc. In this economy, you can't be picky if you want to earn a living. Unfortunately, paying dues seems to continue from our early 20s into our 30s and beyond... that's what we all fear perhaps. The baby boomers will retire at some point, so that's good news! (long comment!)
Definitely check it out. You may like it. I don't hate it, not at all, I just don't love it like I do the other shows I watch.
DeleteYou can always be a part-time English teacher/tutor, just so you don't feel like you're giving up on your goals. You'd be surprised what a nice break in the day it is. I look forward to walking away from my computer for a few hours to teach!
Don't worry, it'll all work out! You're too talented for it to not. : )
I've been doing some part-time freelance work via the computer since I moved here but I am trying to get something in France, now that I have the right to work, something outside in the RL. I've done some tutoring already. I'm trying tourism as well. I hope I score something more substancial soon; I know it will be great getting out there and interacting with more people (and yes, away from the computer!). :) I will always make time for art, as I said to Duchesse; if I have to give up weekends, so be it. Thanks for the compliment. :-)
Delete"not the fear of disapproval part"**
ReplyDeleteIt's funny. When I was in my late teens and early twenties, I didn't find odd jobs demeaning in the least. To me they were experiences and I was eager to get as many of them under my belt as possible. But then I'm a weirdo who's retraining at 40 despite a cushy well-paid government job because she feels it's no longer aligned with her soul and that life is about learning and experiencing.
DeleteI was referring a generational study that came out on gen Y. It makes sense to me. As an artist I'm used to getting mixed views from people after I tell them I paint or street vend/ etc, I've always been a little "odd" to the general public; personally I don't view these jobs as demeaning (my brothers would; they even talked down about the fact that I was going to a state school not an expensive private school! funny indeed).
DeleteI do believe in living life with purpose. Even it ends up being something you have to give up your weekends off to pursue. In NYC I can to keep up with the rent, so that meant no weekends free, and I was happier that way; having put my free time to something with meaning and purpose. Glad to hear you are going for something new! I imagine I'll do something like that in the future as well!
We seem to be on the same page, then!:)
DeleteYour views are not too harsh. As my classmates are this generation, I am witness to it everyday. They're about 21-22 years old (talk about making me feel old!) and other than their work placements, most of them have not worked a day in their lives. I started working at 16 (the legal age in Ohio). My mom told me under no uncertain terms that if I wanted to keep her old car, I better find a way to pay for the insurance, gas, etc. What I see on FB and in my classmates just makes me shudder. I mean, yes, my mom has helped me out in the past (still does if I'm in dire need) and has been known to buy me a pretty new dress or the like, but if I asked her to pay my rent, she'd laugh in my face. My classmates all have nicer places than I do (and my place is very decent), and they don't pay their own rent at all. Yet, they're still not happy with what they have. Hell, I don't even have a real bed, but I'm not complaining!
ReplyDeleteThanks Shannon for your comment! My mom is very similar to yours. When she's in town she stocks me up with food and treat me with nice things as well, but to live, she wouldn't. She doesn't belief in that. Her thinking is that I have a room at her house and if I couldn't afford to live on my own anymore than I could always come home, which I find to be extremely generous. Thank you for understanding the post.
DeleteYou'll have a real bed soon! : ) How'd Ikea go?
Yes, same for my mom. I could always move back home if I had no where else to go.
DeleteWe bought a bigger armoire at Ikea. It's still sitting unassembled in its boxes, but we have it and have some time to put it together!
Wow, this is horrible. I didn't expect it from you. I'm 18, and throughout secondary school my teachers literally talked at us like this is what we were already were, entitled twentysomethings who were going to use our opportunity to go to university to get a useless BA and wonder why we're poor and cant have everything we want. well maths and chemistry teachers did. philosophy and english teachers told us we were unable to think for ourselves and no one reads/ we think all there is to life is a-levels etc. presumably they were the ones with BA's.
ReplyDeleteIt was so self righteous, and if we're stereotyping i think spitting on the younger generation to get your kicks is pretty typical of your generation. It's a shame that so many people who feel the need to write off everyone younger than them also work in education.
Ella delete this comment.
DeleteCharlotte, you have no idea what this post is even about if you took it as spitting. Looking at the comments, us older folks took it as an observation not an attack on people in their early 20s, which is not even including you.
There are many articles about this very subject on the internet. If you're pissed about how many people feel, I suggest you start with an article recently published in The Times. That would be a better place to start than someone's blog.
If you know anything about this blog, you'd know that the writer had to take a job in education because she couldn't get a job in fashion but I guess that was a self righteous move on her part.
@Anonymous - right on!:)
DeleteCharlotte, I think you might have read Ella's comment a bit quickly here. She talks about SOME youngsters, she's not painting a whole generation with the same brush.
Charlotte, we understand your frustrations with your teachers. It's a fact of life that teachers talk down to their students. French kids actually get it the worst. My own mother talks down to me and I'm in my late 40s! Now it's up to you to use your own maturity to blow it off, move forward and not lash out on a blog post that clearly states "some". As anonymous said, this post wasn't even for you. You're not in your 20s. But let me guess, "you're mature for your age".
DeleteOh la la! Where to start...where to start....
DeleteCharlotte - I'm sorry that you took this post the way that you did. I thought I chose my words wisely by saying some (because of course it's not all - nothing is 100%!) but perhaps that was overlooked. C'est pas grave. I was actually referring to people older than you. I know nothing about 18 year olds today, perhaps you're much more enterprising and hardworking than the generation before you. I sure hope so, for some of us who would like to retire at a decent age! : )
Anony - Thank you for your comment and understanding it was an observation that I made about some folks of the younger set. Hey, could you post the link to the article you're talking about? I'm curious to read it.
Duchess - Merci beaucoup. : )
Allison - French kids really do get it rough from their teachers, don't they? I've heard that so many times. I also heard that they even announce grades to the class...none of this handing out graded exams upside down business.
Thank you everyone for your input!
Fellow readers and blog commenters,
DeleteRemember that this is Ella's "virtual" living room. We're all guests here:) Let's all try to behave like we would in her real living room:)
Sometimes we'll just have to agree to disagree. Such is life:)
Shift in the work ethic for sure. And that's all I have to say about that.
ReplyDeleteI think so...it's just a different time now. Thank you for commenting!
DeleteAs a part of this generation, I don't disagree. There's lots of sad things about our generation and maybe technology influenced it some (an obsessed Internet addict myself). Of course everyone is different, and I hate to generalize. I never took being cut off as a devestating measure, I knew it'd happen after college and all the things I want to do in Europe make it difficult, BUT I was also eased out of it. I don't know, none of us want life to be "hard". This thoughts are completely incoherent. But ya, just know I get ya and am not offended.
ReplyDeleteHi there!
DeleteThere is absolutely nothing wrong with getting help from the folks. No judgement there. My irk was how the character was pissed off that she was no longer being helped and telling them that they should be thankful that she's not on drugs. I think it sends the wrong message out, that's all. Saying that, yes, they could have given her a heads up, but that wouldn't have made good tv. : )
I watched the pilot of Girls a while ago and it annoyed me too. Plus can everyone stop saying she\'s #$%&* fat??
ReplyDeleteHahaha thanks Gwan! I had a feeling you weren't into the show either.
DeleteI haven't heard or read anything about judgements on her weight, but that's just mean and makes America look so petty and weigh obsessed. I know this is cliche to say but the camera really does add like 15 pounds! Have a nice weekend, Miss!
Now that I've wiped the tears from my eyes from laughing at the concept of a wee Mlle T'ingette like yourself talking about the younger generation. I have to say I agree. I know an 'actor' who doesn't want to 'prostitute' himself by actually going to an audition.
ReplyDeleteOn the bright side, I know some of the younger generation who have sucked it up and are going to work as car repair men and plumbers. Not glamourous, but they've got good paying jobs.
Hmm.... maybe we should write a pilot....
ps I blame it on over indulgent parenting.
Sylvia, I'm offended that you're not taking my voice seriously!! I'm old, serious and have a point to make! : P
DeleteOk, so is it possible that an actor doesn't want to go on auditions?! I remember auditions being really difficult to get and when one came up, it was an exciting big deal. Or maybe I'm just a super nerd. I thought only people like Julia Roberts can snub auditions...guess I was wrong.
There are totally hard working fantastic kids in the younger generation. A friend of mine, Milari is 21 years old and kicks some major ass. She wasn't at all offended by this post. She got it.
Hahaha yes, our pilot should be called Teenagers.
I haven't seen the show but, like you, have been hearing lost of hype from other girlfriends that watch it regularly so I definitely want to watch it! Without seeing the show, I agree with you completely about the 20 somethings of today. I moved to NYC when I was just out of college and worked as a lowly receptionist and then assistant in the fashion industry for pennies. 5 years later after switching jobs and working hard to be promoted within that company, I finally felt like I was establishing a career and earning a decent salary. I was shocked that my coworkers who were just out of college had such a sense of entitlement to better pay and promotions rather than "paying their dues" as I had done in my first few jobs. And like you, I see the time spent paying my dues as an experience that is all part of who I am today. I think the younger generation seems to want to skip that step.
ReplyDeleteThank you so much Jessica for your comment and sharing your experience.
DeleteThe fashion industry is the worst, isn't it? They pay nothing for entry-level positions but it's all part of the experience. Congratulations on working your way up and staying with a company for 5 years! Bravo! Seriously. That's an accomplishment.
The show is certainly worth checking out. While I don't love it (I gave it about 7 episodes), you might like it. There's a reason it recently won a Golden Globe, it's just not my taste.
Thank you again! : )
I think this might be somewhat true, but I'm not sure it's correct to single out just one generation. In lots of European countries at least, life has basically been getting easier and easier ever since WW2, and every generation has had it better than the last. So it's not really surprising that people have higher expectations for their career, living standards etc., and don't expect to have to work so hard to get it. The thing is that now, people's material expectations are sky-high, but certain things have actually got tougher - the job market, the housing market etc. 20-somethings have smartphones and iPads but can't get on the property ladder or find a permanent contract. Meanwhile, their parents have benefitted from the property boom that is now locking their kids out of the market, and enjoyed the security of permanent jobs for decades, so in some ways they are better off than their kids can hope to be at their age.
ReplyDeleteI suspect every generation has these kinds of thoughts about the one that comes after it. I'm finding that what's funny about being in your 30s is that it's the first time that there is an adult generation below us, and it's weird to notice the differences between us and them!
Totally agree on the TV shows though - the characters on them make me happy not to be a teenager now!
I was just stating some observations based on a handful of my own experiences and it is a generation thing, whether it's deemed correct or not. There will always be generation comparisons, and unfortunately, the good eggs get grouped in with generalization.
DeleteI'm sure the generation before mine thought we were little shits (and maybe still do!), it wouldn't offend me if they did. After all, Paris Hilton and Britney Spears are in it! How's THAT for a generation?
Erk, I think I had made myself forget that those two were my generation too - la honte! I totally agree with you that each generation has its characteristics, even if not all of its members share them, but the optimistic side of me likes to think that higher expectations, which unfortunately can easily turn into a sense of entitlement, are part of progress, not a sign that we are all going to the dogs (not that you said that, but often people do in this kind of debate). And I do think always wanting more is a generally human characteristic, and each generation will always tend to expect more than the last.
DeleteI'm going to stop filling your blog with ridiculously long comments now, but thanks for sparking an interesting debate. Apart from the angry one above, I thought most of the comment were very supportive of what you wrote, so I hope you don't feel you've been attacked!
Excellent points you have made about each generation wanting more than the last. I couldn't agree more. I certainly strove for a lot more than my mother did, mostly with the help of technology and a sense of 'you can do anything you set your mind to' philosophy that my mother encouraged.
DeleteThank you so much for your comments and no, I did not at all feel attacked. A heated debate is healthy from time to time. :)
I Love love love 'Girls'. At first I was a bit shocked, and then I realised thats just because im so used to seeing perfect woman on tv, dressed and make-up'd to look at their best and Hannah, WOW, is she a change! I think its like a realistic sex and the city. Here is an interesting read for the stylist of the show, about how they get Hannah looking so fantastic!
ReplyDeletehttp://joannagoddard.blogspot.fr/2013/01/girls-q-with-costume-designer.html#more
I am of the same generation as them, and while I was lucky to find a great job straight out of uni in Paris, as an architect, I know waaay too many people my age who have just had internship after internship for years, because of the terribly economy (and it really is terrible for architects). In saying that, my parents wouldnt have supported me for years like hannahs did either (its just not how New Zealanders are brought up),and I would have gotten bar work or something similar to pay the rent, but I notice in Europe it is becoming the norm, and I now have interns at work years and years older than me.
Anyway, despite what it might reflect on my generation, keep watching for a few more episodes!
Hi Felicity (LOVE YOUR NAME!!!),
DeleteThank you so much for offering some insight and the link. I really appreciate it.
Like I had mentioned in a comment above, there is nothing wrong in getting help from your family. If they can do it, that's great. I was just annoyed by her response, like it was owed to her, and then asking for 1,100 a month for two years (was it 2 years?) so she could write her book. I loved the mother's response: "Get a job and start a blog".
I do like the realness of the wardrobe, apartment, make up (although one of the characters always wears falsies and sometimes you can see the glue..not sure if that's supposed to be on purpose) and body proportions. I will finish the season though because my fiance really likes it (I'm sure it's the nudity).
Thanks again for sharing!
Oh this isn't a new phenomenon at all! My parents told me when I went off to uni, 'We love you dearly, but you're on your own now, and you're never moving back in!' Now I think in reality had I somehow been rendered homeless, they would have recanted, or at least put me up for a few weeks, but as soon as I walked out of uni I had to walk into a job. My first job was as an admin assistant at a local government agency, the pay was pitifully low (minimum wage), and I had student debts to deal with too, such that my socialising budget ran to about £10/month, but, you know, you work onwards and upwards. I was amazed at some of my fellow graduates who, having never even left home to go to uni, then promptly stayed at home and put their feet up when a job didn't fall into their laps!
ReplyDeleteThinking of the current 'entitled' generation, my gran's neighbours have 2 sons aged 20 and 22. The 22-year-old managed to get himself a job, first part time, and then full time when he dropped out of uni, but he only got the 'in' in the first place through a friend of his parents. Unbelievably the parents then expected the same friend to magically find the younger son a job! Younger son has no social skills whatsoever - his cousin got him a bar job which he didn't even last 2 hours at, and he's never got past interviews in 3 places (which his mother is now boycotting for not employing her darling boy) I frequently think WTF when I look at that family!
Hi Katy,
DeleteHe didn't last two hours at a bar job?! How is that possible! Some bars take two hours to set up! Oh, maybe that was it. Side work is a bitch.
I love how the mother is boycotting these establishments. Some people really can't see their own family and like to blame others. My grandmother would do something like that.
Thanks so much for your comment and not making me feel like a total bitch!
okay people..I have watched the show..entire season one and the new season which just started last sunday..I am in no way the target audience since I'm over 50 and have a daughter the same age as the characters on the show..but..I love Girls. Maybe it's because my daughter is the same age..maybe it's because I can't accept my great age...maybe it's because it's funny..I dont know but I find it very real and honest.
ReplyDeleteSure kids today feel like the world owes them a living but I don't think Girls is saying that's the way to be..Hannah's parents cut off her cell phone and stop paying her rent..finally. It is over parenting that allows "kids today" to feel the way they feel.
My daugher is in her last year of university but also works full time waiting tables. Once school is done in April the first thing she wants to do is move out and have her own place..like all of us did. She may have to live in a basement or with 5 other people but she knows that and so do most of all of her friends. I think it's too easy to say all 20 somethings are lazy and expect everything given to them
it's just a show Ella...stick with it...but if you don't like it..you don't like it..we all have different opinions..that's what makes the world go round
Hi Deb,
DeleteThe show is totally real and honest but it's just not for me, and there are somethings that didn't agree with me and that should be okay.
I felt like this scene in particular was a bit entitled. Her response to being cut off was a poor message to send, that's all. She was more pissed than shocked and at least grateful for the two years that she was supported. Of course I know it's tv, I'm pretty sure I made a note of it in the post, I was just sharing like I always do.
As for the generation, I was referencing some of the younger set, not all. I would never generalize that grandly.
I totally got that you meant "some"..I said "all" in my commment and that wasn't directed at you , just sloppy commenting (I think I invented that)
Deleteit's great to read so many fired up comments though..your readers are engaged at least.
have a good weekend...stay warm
Thank you so much for clearing it up. :) Seriously, I was confused. That's the problem with the internet, there are no inflections, so we never really know how something is supposed to come across.
DeleteHave a nice weekend as well!
And thanks again. It means a lot.
I've never watched that show, but I find your observations spot on! I've noticed this too! We call them "Les enfants rois" in Quebec! Of course, not all youngsters are born with a healthy sense of entitlements, but there are many. I've had a few dealings with such characters who feel that because they have a university degree, they're somehow entitled to have their parents lifestyle at the age of 23! Well, I had a couple of university degrees when I was 23 and I didn't have everything my parents had, and rightfully so! I know what it's like to be flat broke and I'm grateful that I experienced all that crap when I was in my 20's because I really know the value of money and hard work, and truly appreciate what I have today. There's nothing more off-putting that a me-me-me person with a giant sense of self-entitlement.
ReplyDeleteAnd no, not ALL kids are like that, I realize that.
Hey Duchesse,
DeleteThanks for getting that I'm not saying "all". How could I possibly even know that? I think this post got generalized or at least skimmed! Surely I'm not the first person to express that some of the younger generation comes off entitled.
This whole thing makes wonder what was said about my generation. Hmmm. Not sure, but I do know that if I read something negative about us when I was in my early 20s, I wouldn't lash out, I'd prove it wrong! Fight the good fight, is what my aunt always says.
You may actually like the show. I'm curious to your thoughts. If you have time, download it! I know your plate is full though...
I love the show and I think Lena Dunham is a great writer. There are so many moments that it's just spot on with dating and friendships. There are a lot of things that are realistic.
ReplyDeleteAs for the young 20s being very WTF, I agree with Sylvia. It's the parents. If parents are going to encourage that behavior then the kids will be like that. I had an entry-level job and lived in a railroad apt with three girls and if I had to pee in the middle of the night then I had to go outside into the hall from one door and enter the front door to where the bathroom was. But I knew girls who made less money than me and their parents paid their rent because they just "couldn't imagine" living in an apartment building that didn't have AC or a doorman.
But I love Lena Dunham and her show.
The writing is good and I do like the realness of it, it's just not for me. Perhaps maybe because I lived it already? Not sure but some things rubbed me the wrong way that I don't see myself returning for season 2. I am impressed that she writes, stars, directs, produces and created the show. She's like Vincent Gallo!
DeleteA railroad apartment! Poor thing! That was a deal breaker for me! NOW who's the spoiled one? How did you guys manage when you know, you had "company"?
Well, I haven't seen Girls yet, but have heard some of the same complaints that you have from younger members of my family as well. It's like they want to get out of college and step into a job that's going to pay them $80,000 a year and they're feeling bitter that it isn't happening that way.
ReplyDeleteThank you for your comment, JG! I'm glad that I'm not the only one noticing this change with some of the younger generation!
DeleteOh la la la! I'm a bit flabbergasted by some of the comments when I didn't find your post to be the least bit controversial. You never said EVERYBODY or ALL OF THEM. Geesh.
ReplyDeleteAnyhoo... I love New Girl (I so desperately want her hair but it is never, ever going to happen) and I didn't really like Girls either. I can't put my finger on why I don't exactly, but I don't. I was excited when it started last year, watched it and was shocked I didn't like it, so I watched the second episode and I still didn't like it. I feel very out of touch.
Thanks Sara Louise. I too was confused by some of the comments as I didn't think the post was at all offensive. Thanks for confirming it. I thought I was going crazy, like I was missing something.
DeleteZooey's hair is amazing! I know! I want her bangs! I tried to do bangs back in the day and it was so much trouble. Blowing bangs out on a hot summer day in LA = no fun. Like at all.
It's funny that you say that you don't know exactly why you didn't love Girls. I felt the same way. I wasn't itching for the next episode like I do with all of the other shows I follow! Glad it's not just me!
I don't get what everyone is freaking out about. Especially the 18 year old. It has nothing to do with her. Unless she's planning to be supported all through her 20s and you just criticised her plan. Like someone else said, there are other articles out there that are really mean toward that generation, it would be best to start there not a blog. Little girls these days...
ReplyDeleteThanks Anonymous for your funny comment. I want to read some of these articles that keep being referred to. I'm really curious. I'll hit up Google and see what pops up. It'll be nice to read some of the POVs.
DeleteAh, thank you for this post! You've hit the nail on the head. I didn't get past episode one - I just thought it either because of a culture clash (being Australian & never having lived in NYC) or because I was just simply too old to relate (I'm 28). But, yes, what you've written about was it. The fact that she so shocked at being cut off coupled with quitting her job because she wouldn't be paid just prevented me in any way from identifying with this character and just irked me into not watching another ep.
ReplyDeleteBack in my day - argh! so old! - you worked your butt off for pittance (espesh in the media industry where I worked) and you were grateful. We were told, long before a certain Meryl Streep movie was released, that a million girls would die for our jobs. So we kept our heads down. Now when any young thing (as did happen last Saturday at the pub actually) in university asks me for career advice I tell them you're going to expect the dream job and it's not going to come straight away. Start at the bottom, be helpful and grateful and it will.
Ps, I adore New Girl. To bits! Lou xx
Hi Lauren and thank you for your comment!
DeleteYeah, I think we come from the same school of thought that we were lucky to even be working in these industries. I certainly felt that way when I got my first unpaid fashion internship that I had to wait tables at night to supplement my income. It was a magical time that I look back on fondly. Also - I can't believe how much energy I had! I could never do that now at almost 32!
New Girl is just great. I can't get enough of it! Schmidt is my favorite character. I have to pause because I'm laughing so hard. He really plays the douchebag role perfectly.
Thank you again for your comment! : )
WOW Ella, you have stirred up the readers! I certainly found all the commentary interesting.
ReplyDeleteI guess I did. Oy vey! I really didn't mean to! Btw, hi! How are you? I still haven't made your brittle, I need to. I think my students would really love it. : )
DeleteMy thoughts?: I totally get that you are speaking about "some" not all in that generation. And so I say to you "Amen, sister, preach it." You are spot-on with your observations. I've seen those same entitled expectations, even occasionally from my own children (17 and 21), which I try to nip in the bud whenever I hear something to that effect come out of their mouths. I think it stems from my generation wanting to make it easier for our own kids than we had it (I worked all through high school, and put myself through college, doing all kinds of jobs to pay the bills). But in an effort to allow my kids to focus more on school than I was allowed to, I guess I gave them the impression that they could look for the "perfect" job when the time was "right." My husband and I have now taken steps to correct than misconception, and our kids are finally getting it.
ReplyDeleteBtw, my daughter just told me how much she enjoys "New Girl" (which I haven't seen), but when "Girls" won the Golden Globes the other night, she was surprised, because she had the same reaction as you after checking it out. I haven't seen it yet, but now am curious.
Thank you so much Karene for your comment and for understanding that of course I'm not speaking about everyone.
DeleteIt's interesting to read the POV from an actual parent of the younger generation and that you from time to time see this behavior in your own kin.
I see what you're saying about wanting to make it easier for your own kids. My mom grew up in a strict Italian house where children were seen and not heard and the adults were always right (even if they weren't). She refused to bring my brother and I up like that, and it's strongly looked down upon in my family.
Oh so your daughter doesn't love Girls either? So it's not just us grouchy late 20-somethings/30-somethings! Good to know!
Thank you again for your insightful comment!
unfortunately you and I both are technically part of Lena Dunham's generation. It's the Y gen. Ughhhhh... I loathe most of the early 20-somethings. You are spot on with your analysis with this group. Over-indulged, lazy, entitled... just plain annoying. I think it has a lot to do with the rapid rise of the internet, iphone, etc. It's harder for a 24-year-old to remember what it was like when we used dial-up. You needed a lot more patience and creativity back in the late 90s.
ReplyDeleteThanks BEP for your comment!!
DeleteHahahaha our lives were so hard - we had to use dial-up and the younger generation could never relate to our struggles! That makes me laugh.
Generation WTF? Hahaha
ReplyDeleteI cannot give my opinion on any particular generation because I don't have much info.
I think I belong to the baby boom gen (born 1959), but as a single mother I was fortunate to always have my parents both moral and financial support when I needed it, but we are Spanish and helping and supporting your children well into adulthood and beyond is not uncommon in our culture.
I'm happy to help my thirty something daughter when she needs it and I can. Obviously I know she's a hard working woman and I probably wouldn't be so inclined to help if she was a bum.
Very interesting comments and points of view, showing how we look at things so differently based on our age.
Sylvia S.
I do like Girls but I see you point about our generation. My sister's friends are exactly what you've described and I just can't relate. But what you are saying reminds me of another show you might like called Louie with Louis C.K. - he made a joke about this exact issue and basically said that your twenties are for working shitty jobs to build character - you're not supposed to like your job but do a good job despite and don't roll your eyes when I ask for extra fries lol.
ReplyDeleteI do like New Girl too!
Murissa
Hi Murissa! Thanks for your comment and for sharing your own insight to this!
DeleteI'll be sure to check out Louie. I have never heard of it but it sounds like something I'd appreciate. Thanks!
"Girls" is definitely not a good example of a lot of my generation. It's also intensely racist, ethnically chauvinistic, and sexist. Frankly, Lena Dunham pisses me off, in part because she acts as though having had parents who could have supported you financially is something we all go through (ha! right...)
ReplyDeleteThe show itself is just this entitled little rich girl's view of the world, and I forever hate that people my age are in love with it. Yea, sure, it's realistic in that in your twenties your life is a mess and you have no idea what the fuck you're doing, but beyond that the show is total crap.
Hi K, thank you so much for your comment! Wow, you REALLY don't like the show!
DeleteYeah, it was her reaction to being cut off that bothered me. I just think it sends out the wrong message that we're demanding to be treated like adults but are defiant and pissed off when we have to do it on our own. I have seen it in other forums, this sense of entitlement that just rubs me the wrong way.
My whole point was if you want to live in New York City, then make it happen on your own...evidently she does as there is a season two and surely more to follow. :)
Thank you again for your comment.
Wow! what a discussion this has generated! Unfortunately I cannot see the programme in England, but have heard about it before and look forward to forming an opinion.
ReplyDeleteI also have learned a lot from this discussion about young American women from middle class backgrounds and their view of the world. I am not sure that the British young women I come across see things in quite the same way.
Unfortunately (in my opinion) this "Internship" culture is creeping into the UK. Where in order to gain "experience" to go on their CV, (so they can get a paying job) graduates have to work for free in a job. Especially in media and fashion jobs.
This is resulting, according to my Media expert son, in a whole middle class cultural viewpoint taking over the BBC for instance, When what is needed, what is more healthy, is diversity. But working class young people simply cannot afford to keep giving their services for free and live in London.
Therefore, as these people are busy working in the intern ship, it is difficult for them to earn money to support them self.... even with a part time job at McDonald's. Therefore they have to have SOMEBODY to support them, whether that be parents or spouse..... This is OK if parents or spouse have enough money to do this,( and I mean have to be very rich!) but in the main, ordinary working class/ lower middle class parents are simply not in a position to keep their off spring until they are in their late twenties, so further education/ "careers"/ "following your dreams" is becoming more and more a middle class luxury.
With the UK housing market the way is, renting or buying is out of the question as few young people can save up the huge deposit needed. (unless parents provide it, and who can afford that?) so Young people are forced to live at home. At one time it was pretty unheard of for young people over 21 or 22 to be living at home, they would be laughed at, but now it is the norm.
I have not really come across any young women who see this as "an entitlement" most of them are frustrated that they cannot get on the housing market, and also that companies exploit the Intern ship system by using it to get free labour, instead of honestly paying for labour given.......... but then I don't see many young women who have rich daddies or husbands.
...and I do think that this " follow your dream, you can be anything you wish" message is very much an American cultural viewpoint. Probably drummed into your children from an early age.
I am not saying that British young people do not follow their dreams, but I don't think it is embedded into our cultural expectations like it is in the US, for all sorts of historical reasons, not to mention our class system.
Maybe K is right and this is just an entitled rich girls view of life.
I will look forward to seeing the show.
Oops I have gone on a bit. Sorry!
Love Denise
@Denise. Now you understand why so many female students in Europe are turning to prostitution to finance their studies. Sad, isn't it?
DeleteWow, I'm pretty shocked too by all the follow up comments. But then again, when I was reading all the praise for Girls on the internet, I was super confused after watching it. Mostly it just made me kind of irritated. I've seen interviews and read some things from Lena Dunham, and I quite liked them, but the show just fell flat to me. Maybe for the same reasons you mentioned, but I just didn't get it. I'd much rather watch New Girl or The Mindy Project...I loved her on the Office, so I was really excited for the new show. And last week I got completely sucked into Downton Abbey, which I completely understand the hype about. Sooo good!
ReplyDeleteHey Ella,
ReplyDeleteOk, I'm going to offer a different perspective to what's been stated previously. First of all, I don't think Dunham is trying to send a message. She uses hyperbole and exaggeration - often at the expense of the characters - to provoke viewers and subvert female paradigms. Namely, women are people who can't have faults, and if they do have faults like the ones that Mindy or Jess of New Girl have, they're quirky and cute, traits that are palatable to the general audience. By making these girls entitled, self-involved, and generally unlikeable, she is opening up the audience to the idea that women can be fallible but at the same time still be human.
The portrayal of women is often so polarizing. We are either these beautiful, sweet, goddess-like creatures or we are scheming, maniacal bitches (and we are somehow always wearing make-up and looking perfect, which is so not the case) - there is no nuance in our characters, and I think Dunham gets that. Her writing, her film, her TV show: everything she does shows women at their weakest but only so that the women who hear her voice can feel empowered, can feel less alone. Because I'm sure we've all had moments like the ones on Girls (maybe not to the same extent), and oftentimes, society and men tell us that we can't feel that way. That crying and emotions are bad, that putting ourselves first is bad, that we shouldn't complain, etc. because we are victims. So Dunham blows up these idiosyncrasies and in a subversive way, normalizes our view of women. Woman can be selfish, women can be brats, women can be assholes sometimes, but that doesn't mean we're bitches. It means we're human.
Just think of all the neurotic, unsympathetic male archetypes that are out there. From Seinfeld to Larry David to Woody Allen (and let's not even get started on literary characters or film icons). These guys don't get the criticism that women do because their brand of self-deprecation is something we tacitly accept. And where would comedians be if they didn't exaggerate and blow things out of proportion? Sometimes Dunham's negative portrayal of woman is jarring at first, yes, it's also incredibly humanizing, especially for someone like me who is Dunham's age and who struggles with female identity. I think too many people (including women) go into this show expecting it to be a documentary or a sitcom (much along the lines of Louie, which is equally as absurd as Girls). I think it does a disservice to female artists who use fiction to communicate personal truths (perhaps truths that we don't want to accept) but in 10 years time, when there are more fully-fledged female characters in the media, I believe that people will recognize her efforts.
By the way, I love New Girl, did not go to a liberal arts college or take gender studies. Just my two cents :) I hope you give it another shot.
Jenna